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FMPSC BIRTHDAY TEAM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY OCTOBER WALLABIES

October Birthstone: Opal and Tourmaline
October Flower: Calendula

October 03 Crystal/Butterfly
October 09 Lorri
October 10 Pamelia
October 12 Shirley (FL)
October 12 Barb (PA)
October 18 Liesa
October 20 MomaKat
October 23 Bonna
October 29 Carole (BC)
October 29 Sue E. (Idaho)

SENDING BIRTHDAY WISHES FROM ALL OF US HERE AT FMPSC


Bonnie - Sept 30, 2004
It's really important that everyone on Vioxx ask their physician if they should continue with it. Thanks Debb/PA for your post. I talked to my doctor who thinks because it seems to be helping me and I do have a strong heart that I should continue with it. At least until more is known about it's effects on the heart.
I did find out one thing after my plane trip to see my daughter in Alaska. The first two weeks I was there I suffered with swollen feet, legs and ankles. My doctor says that anyone who is going somewhere by plane should stay off Vioxx a few days before flying....this could have helped cause my swelling. Sure wish I'd known that before I left. The swelling really worried me and I had to wear sandals everywhere! Couldn't get my other shoes on!


BeachBum 9/30/04
Hi Bonnie! Vioxx always helped me, back in the day when it was just "pain" and I had not been diagnosed with FMS yet. But I couldn't take it for long because the swelling would be so bad that it would make it hard to breathe!

One thing my doc said a long time ago, even before I knew about FMS, was always take an aspirin before getting on a plane to help prevent blood clots from sitting so long. Air France has really done a good job of encouraging stretching and flexing in their onboard exercise programs. Now if they would just take out some seats to make more leg room!


Sassy 9/30
Please please do check with your doctor immediately if you take Vioxx. I started taking Vioxx in Sept. of '01 and in March of '03 I suffered a heart attack. My doctor told me at the time the Vioxx could have had a hand in it. So please, contact your doctor immediately. *Gentle Hugs*


Bonnie - CA - 09/30/04
For dry feet: Try washing your feet w/apricot facial scrub, dry, THEN put lotion on them (the better the lotion, the softer your feet willbe)...


BeachBum 10/1/04
Bad bad bad day already, and it is beginning to get me down. Needed crutches for calf/ankle pain, but back and shoulders hurt too much to use them. Leaned on wall to help me walk to office instead. One new feature is that the tender places on my forearms are so swollen that I have lost a lot of the range of motion. And the coffee pot is probably 25 steps away and I feel like a wimp having to ask someone to get me some because it just hurts too much to get it myself.

I have an appointment to start physical rehab on Monday with an aquatic therapist. I would appreciate any advice you can give me about this sort of thing, never had any sort of therapy before. Will the therapist care how badly I hurt, or will she try to force things past what I can tolerate? I'm sort of nervous about it.

I am beginning to really be frightened. I've already lost days of work due to this thing, but what happens if I can't keep going? Thanks for listening.


Dee.........October 01, 2004
Hey BeachBum....I bet you deserve to be waited on once in awhile. Don't feel
bad because someone might have to fetch you a cup of coffee. I have thought
seriously about water therapy. I have a whirlpool at home and while I'm in
it I have NO PAIN. Of course I have to get out and then the party is over but
I figure if it helps while I'm in it, water therapy might just help too.
And about the therapist caring, hun it's your body and only you can tell
her/him how far you can go at one time. Speak up. Good luck and let us know
how much it helps or not.
Hugs..Dee


Janice - IL 10/1/04
Hi everyone! Happy Birthday to all October born. Now I need your help. I am on my 7th night of no sleep. I have purchased 3 different mattress's this year alone. I always end up back on my couch. I am at my wit's end. Does anyone know of a special mattress that works for all of us? I think I end up on the couch is the support to my back. I have been in a horrible flare for over 6 weeks now. It's driving me nuts. The under the rib pain, leg & arm pain, neck, just all over. My family just keeps on me saying just get up and get out of the house and you will feel better. They just don't understand!!!!!!!!!!!!! My doctor has me on pain meds along with the fentynyl patches and still the pain persists. My prayers go out to all who are suffering!


Sasssy 10/1/04
Happy Birthday Wallabies!! Hope your special day is very very special indeed! Weather is changing here and it's getting to me big time. My husband had a job offer in E.Central Missouri... LOL Ummm no I don't think so... the weather patterns in TX are painful enough as it is. And I don't think I could handle bugs that are bigger'n me! hahahaha Now if AZ would contact us.. *nods* I'd be gone in a heartbeat. Gentle hugs to all... may you all have a restful night and a blessed weekend.


Michelina 10/01/04
Hi all! Beachbum...I understand needing the crutches, I use a cane myself. Does anyone else use a cane all the time like I do? I usse it not only to alleviate pain and weight on hip, but to keep me balanced. I also tried aquatic therapy, it was actually designed for fibro patients. I could not continue because the warm water hurt my hands and right hip so badly. Although it felt good in other areas I felt worse at the end. I live in Southern Calif and the weather has been very warm...causing the overheated fibro discomfort. But the weather has recently gotten slightly cooler...and now I am having the cramping in feet and legs. Having to have heated bead bags or whatever they are in bed with me. It is strange that fibro affects me so dramatically different at times depending on just a slight change of temperature. Speaking of beds, I just got rid of my 15 year old king bed, for a thousand dollar queen bed, hoping I would sleep better. Nope, it is more comfortable to lay on, but it does not relieve the pain which is what disturbs my sleep. Sorry to go on so much but I was wondering if other fibro friends have noticed a deteriation in oral health. I have the TMJ so I know that contributes to it, but my mouth has become almost full with crowns, and hurts so much all the time that I have difficulty eating solids at all. Thanks for listening! By the way I am 43 years old with 3 kids. 4 if you count my husband!


Beth in Ohio 10/02/04
Janice-go to cuddleewe.com. This is a mattrice topper made of wool, and is supposed to help people with sleeping problems. I haven't been able to afford one yet. The queen size runs about $300. It might be something you could check into. The weather finally broke last night and we woke up to 50 degrees and rain. My left shoulder is really out, and I don't dare raise my arm to high. If I don't move it there is very little pain. I have been on elival since December, and the last couple of nights I have slept straight through. Didn't get up this morning until 8:45. It will soon be time to put my electric blanket on my bed. I always sleep better when that is on. Gentle Hugs to all.


Bonnie/IA Oct 2
Many people swear by the CuddleEwe mattress pad, but I am not one of them. I purchased mine over a year ago. Wish I had the money back. Although it feels good, seems to keep me warmer, it did nothing for the pain. I now have a feather bed over the top of it. Problem there being the feathers come out sometimes and poke my legs. LOL I usually feel better if I am real warm, so an electric blanket does help more than any expensive pads.
It's chilly here today so we have a small fire going in the stove. It feels sooooo good. Canadian cold front seems to have us in its grip for a few days.
Does anyone raise gourds? I have some beautiful ones this year, but not sure if I should leave them until a frost or if I should pick them now. The vines are still quite green and so are the gourds. I don't want to pick them to early and have them rot. Of course, I can't remember what I did last year. Darned fibro-fog.
Guess I will have to call the doctors office Monday to find out what he is going to sub for the Vioxx. Just filled my prescription to the tune of $80 plus dollars!! I didn't read anything about refunds... You would think the pharmacy would have known last week that it was going to be discontinued. Makes me mad as well as hurts the pocket book.
Hope you all have a good week-end.


Barb(Pa) 10/2/04
Hi FMily, Golly problems still plague me here...my back is out big time. I don't know how much longer I can put off having surgery. Big problem now is,it will be terribly hard to go on the road,but to stay home means no help,and I can hardly waddle across the living room.I will have to discontinue all my meds again on the road,so you can see my problem. We also discovered the $1700 plus repair job to our truck was not as good as thought...Dave has spent the past two days buying and installing parts to correct the mistakes and oversights done by "expert" mechanics.Oh when will it end !!!! Its raining here again today and the contractor still hasn't given us a start date for our roof..by the time it gets repaired I will have a good excuse to redo the inside too. :) Hope you all are having a great weekend. Stay dry,stay safe and be happy. God bless.


BeachBum 10/2/04
About gourds: In Alabama when the frost comes late if at all, my dad would leave them until the vines began to dry up, then put them someplace cool to finish drying the gourds. They'll last forever. Got any butternut squash? I LOVE those things!

We (husband with RA and I) slept on a nice warm waterbed for years, until it EXPLODED when he did a swan-dive into it last October. I had loved the Tempur Pedic mattresses ever since my sleep study, where they used them. So we did come shopping and found a Cal King size knock-off at a place in Birmingham called Bedzzzz Express. It's from a Tennessee foam company called Southerland who are trying to edge into the Tempur Pedic market. It's the same foam, but very beautifully upholstered and looks like a cake. Get this: The TP mattress was $2300 but we got this one for $800. If you have a Brookstone at a mall nearby, try it out. Then don't buy their expensive one and get a nicer-looking one for half price if you like the way it feels. I have about the same amount of stiffness in the morning as I did with the waterbed.

Now about me. I still don't recognize the symptoms of FMS yet. Yesterday, my body allover but especially feet, swelled enormous. After 3 of the nurses I work with freaked out and said, "You gotta call your doctor right now!", I called the doc and left a message. They called right back, said go to the ER, and I said "No." (I don't like going to the doc, and much less the ER!!) So the nurse called back about 15 mins later and said the doc really wanted me to go to the ER. So I went. FIVE (5) hours later, my kidneys tested OK, EKG was OK, all labs were OK. They said, "It's fibromyalgia." I was yelling in pain every time I moved, and they found nothing. Came home, took Lortab, and it's still painful this morning but the swelling is gone.

I know some of you have been to multiple doctors and they didn't want to give you this diagnosis, but I think my problem is at the extreme other end of the spectrum. This is the 7th doctor to blame this incredible pain on FMS. I'm worried that it has become their "catch-all" diagnosis and they may miss something one of these times just by blaming everything on FMS.

Got gourds on my mind now! My mom always made the most delicious pie from butternut squash, no sweet tater or punkin pie can come close. It was always our Thanksgiving dessert. I don't think my hubby or I could peel one this year, both have hand pain and those things are really hard to peel. Aren't we a pair?

There is an Oktoberfest going on in north Ala this weekend. I really would have loved to go to it. Maybe next year I'll be walking a little better. This FMS is taking over my life. I hate it.

I hope you all have a pain-free, refreshing, and happy weekend!


Sassy 10/2
Our weather here changed drastically over night.. huge thunderstorms and a cold front... oy... I hurt everywhere.

BARB(PA): Bless your lil heart hon.. you just are having the worst luck as of late! *gently hugs ya* Why do you have to discontinue meds on the road? I'm sure you've said why before but my fog is rolling in today and I can't remember why! LOL

BEACHBUM: I know it seems like doctors just start using FM as a catch-all but I swear it's responsible for so much stuff! IT's insane... and it seems the longer we have it, the more things it affects/causes. So glad you went to the ER *shakes my finger at you while hushin' my hubbin* Make sure you go if they tell you to hon... sounds like you had a definite emergency. *laughs* My hubbin says TO ME, "yeah.. you too!!" I'm notorious for not going to docs and especially the ER.. it's painful to sit there and wait and wait and wait and then wait some more after you wait. So glad you checked out ok though.. how scary to swell up like that.

BONNIE: I have to find one of those knock off stores to get me a TP topper... would love to do the feathertop but the feathers always poke me too! LOL Then I get the itchies so bad that I have to abandone all hope of sleep. I've never heard of the cuddle ewe thing.. but wool wouldn't work for me either.. I get too hot and wool makes me itch BIG TIME! I have one of those egg crate type foam toppers on my bed now, but I'd like a better one.

MICHELINA: I too use a cane.. not just for back and hip pain but for balance as well. My back and hips are so painful I usually use the wheelchairs provided in the stores but have to use my cane getting to and from the store itself. I now have the handicap plates and placard and that helps alot as far as getting me closer. The cane helps the rest of the way. Of course now that arms are hurting more using the cane is a bit more painful. Can anything else go wrong??? Wait! Don't answer that *laughs*

Hope everyone is having a good day.. find something to smile about... it makes people wonder what you've been up to =)


Katielady 10/2/04
Hello Everyone- About the swelling, I have a terrible time with that too. Especially in the summer months. Beachbum, the same thing happened to me (and on my birthday too!), and the ER was the last place I wanted to go. Put the doc said to go and my husband pretty much got nasty with me, so I went. The ER nurses were sweet and made me a birthday card, and it was the same hospital where I was born as well! My left foot and lower legs were blown up something awful. I had a hard time even finding footwear to get to the ER. After an MRI, to rule out a blood clot and tons of bloodwork, the ER doc and my pain doc came to the conclusion that it was "just fibro related". I was so frustrated, collected my stuff and went home. It took about 6 hours to get all of that taken care of and discharged. I know that going is the right thing to do, but some days I feel like all I do is go from one doc to another. It gets depressing at times. I remind myself to be grateful that nothing horrible was found and to move on, and I will probably do the same thing next time it happens. Wish all a peaceful pain-free weekend, Hugs to All!


Barb(Pa) 10/2/04
Hi FMily, Sassy,I can't take any drugs that might impair my ability to drive or be a positive reading on a drug screen or it could cost me a jail term. Think about it,would you want to see an 80,000 pound truck coming at you with a drug dazzed driver? I wouldn't. I am subject to random drug testing every minute I am in the truck.Contractor will be hear to discuss repairs Monday..wooooooohoooooooooo !!! Hugs to all


Sassy 10/2
I am passing this on to you because it has definitely worked for me and as we start winding down summer we all could use a little calm. By following the simple advice I read in an article, I have finally found guaranteed inner peace.

The article read:
"The way to achieve inner peace is to finish all the things you've started."
So I looked around the house to see all the things I started and hadn't finished....
....and before leaving the house this morning I finished.....
A quarter bottle of red wine...
A half a bottle of white wine...
The rest of the Bailey's...
Some Kahlua...
Five remaining shots of Wild Turkey...
The last two Prozac...
One Valium...
Three leftover pieces of cheesecake... and
Half of a box of chocolates.

And you know what? It worked!! You have no idea how freakin' good I feel!! *laughs*
You may pass this on to those you feel are in need of "Inner Peace"...


Sassy 10/2
BARB(Pa) Ahhhhhhhhhhh I dunno why I thought it was only your husband that drove! DOH smack me and stick me in the corner! LOL Well that makes perfect sense now... 'scuse my confuzzlement! *HUGS*


Starr in WV 10/2/04
I had a trip to the clinic the other day and sure enough, I had mastitis so I'm on an antibiotic. He agreed that the yeast infection could have been responsible for it this time.

I have a Cuddle Ewe on my bed and I really like it. My husband and I had to go to separate bedrooms about 3 years ago. He is a diabetic and very sensitive to the cold so he keeps the room must too warm for me. Plus, I couldn't sleep on our old bed because it was too firm. Not to mention that I have a night life that he is unaware of LOL. I have a TV and stereo in here, plus my TV and video player and my computer. He sleeps on a king size bed and I sleep on a twin (usually with the dogs).

I'm sorry, unless I make notes I can't remember who says what but that problem with the pain in the hands and feet and the feet sweeling must be something we all go through. I have to get dressed each day based on what shoes I can wear.

You really have to get to know your own body to be able to tell what is probably fibro and what is something else. And unfortunately getting used to dealing with fms everyday is very hard - it never goes away. You have to reconcile yourself to the fact that each day you are going to have some kind of pain (as I write this I'm getting shooting pain in my hands and feet, which I often get).

We far as sleep goes, I play the same music every night and I think now subconsciously when I hear it, my body knows it is time to try to sleep. Plus, I have a CPAP machine because I have sleep apnea. Be sure you are tested for that because a lot of people with fms have it and taking sleeping meds can make things worse. And you dont' have to have to snore to take it. When they did my study, they found my legs moved a lot at night (I got more exercise in bed than during the day!) I also sometimes drink hot milk (you need to get it hot to release the trytophan, then you can let it cool); sometimes I drink sleepytime tea. Sometinmes I have the itchies at night and have to take a benadryl. If I really can't sleep, I put one of my favorite moves on and usually can fall asleep watching it.

You also might want to put socks or white gloves on with your lotion if your skin is really cracked. Try using Bag Balm. My husband has to use that on his feet because he has no feeling on the bottom of his feet at all. That's the same thing they use on cow's udders.

Reading your stories, I realize I am one of the lucky ones. I don't know how you all do it and my heart and prayers go out to all of you. If any of you are interested, there is a book called where is God when it hurts by Philip Yancy you might like to read.

It is cooler here now which is good, I do better with my electric afghan than with my air conditioner. I hope all of you are having a peaceful weekend.


Barb(Pa) 10/3/04
Hi FMily, Sassy,I would never smack you and put you in a corner..LOL Today is a beautiful cool day and husband is getting alot of out door work done. We had to drain our pool again due to so much rain here in the past few weeks. My back is mildly improved...a few more days and I should be right as rain.(I hope) Weather man says we could have a frost Tuesday night,so I have to muster enough strength to re-pot my flowers and bring them in. I found out today I am not alone with a leaking roof, my neighbors on both sides of me also have leaks,so they might want my contractor when he is fnished here.I am ired of roof work,this is the second time in a year. Starr,thanks for the info on the book...I already know the answer,but it sounds like a good one. Gentle hugs all.


Michelina Oct 3 2004
Remarking on a recent post about itching. I seem to have severe itching..at night...on one leg below knee. It itches so badly I go crazy and scratch till it bleeds...because by that time my husband has gotten some anti-itch lotion. I have noticed that my feet and shins have begun the horrible feeling of a tearing of my tissues and hammering of my bones, Does anyone else have this? It is like a burning pain...stretching my tendons it feels it is going to tear, while the bones have the sensation of being hammered. I feel the hammered feeling over many areas of my body....it changes from one location to another. That is the only way I can explain the feeling. I also notice it was not as severe over the summer..but just a little change to a lower temperature triggers it again. I am so tired and depressed living this way. It is hard sometimes forme to look at "normal" people..I feel envy that I cannot do the things I could do before. I have lost alot of weight...have no muscle tone anymore...and my body now is blubbery even though I am thin. I do not eat solids because it hurts my jaw and pain radiated to me ears...I only drink liquids and an occassional bowl of oatmeal. It is amazing how I can still do anything with the lack of calories I am taking, But my body has stopped losing weight now. Sorry to have such a bummer post today.....just having one of those bad days. Thanks for listening fibro friends, the only people who really understand.


Kelly Oct 3
good evening from cold Canada. I am sorry to hear there are so many with swelling and pain. I think every posting mentioned one or the other. I have been diagnosed now for 4 years and have fought hard to have doctors see there is more to me than the FMS and while it is the reason for many things it is not the reason for all of our medical trials and tribulations. There may be a need to keep a symptom list as one of you stated it has so many parts to it ,it gets very confusing. I think trying to look at symptoms one at a time and remember we are not our illness will be beneficial. Our weather in Canada is getting colder and I am finding my pain and stiffness increasing as well. I do have a foam topper and feather bed on my bed and just purchased microfleece sheets from Walmart. anyone who is cold - buy some they are wonderful. I keep a fiberfill duvet as I find they breath better and can be covered with another blanket without me waking up in a heatwave. I have found having a good pillow helps too. Beachbum... let the aquatic therapist know your expectations. we often need to be assertive even though we are tired with the FMS. do what you think you are capable of. it is a beginning and something you are trying. one thing that has worked for me for pain is a product called Jasons tea tree oil. it is kind of like a tiger balm consistency and comes in green gold and white jar in Canada. it seems to work differently than many other balms. take care all of you .... Kelly from Canada


Starr in WV 10/3/04
I have had constant itching on the front of both of my legs just belonw the knees for several years now. Nothing seemed to work until I started using the athlete's foot medicine on it. Now it looks like it is finally clearing up.

Another thing, especially for the newbies, be sure you have had a good thyroid panel workup. People with fms also often have thyroid problems or have had thyroid in the past. Age isn't a factor there. I have a friend who had a lot of trouble with her young son, had to take him to anger management class, he had some major mood swings, had some obsessive/compulsive behaviour. then one day one of the doctors decided to check his thyroid and and it was extremely low, so low they didn't know how he was functioning. they put him on thyroid hormone and he is so much better, he is a different person, and he will turn 11 next month.

Also sleep apea can affect any age, I know of a baby 18 months that has it and a 12-year old girl who has a CPAP machine also.

I have to watch that I don't get too warm at night because that brings on hot flashes. Having fms and going through memopause - that's a combo that will drive you crazy!!!! I think that's why I do better in the winter with the dry heat instead of in the summer fighting the humidity.

One of the problems with fms is that when you have something else wrong, that particular thing also aggravates the fms also unti you can hardly tell where one leaves off and the other goes on.

I had a friend die last spring from hepatitis C and I helped her family clean out her house. they gave me her shoes to dispose of. She had had a lot of swelling and fluid problems (her legs actually "weeped" and she would have to wrap them in cloths). She had shoes ranging in size from 7 to 9-1/2 wide, the latter were all slip on because that's all she could stand, plus couldn't bend over to tie. I think of her everyday when my feet are hurting and I'm trying to find shoes to wear.

On a lighter note - do any of you cross-stich. I'm addicted to it so I'm going to go stitch for a while and watch the Sunday night football game. Deep sleep to everyone.


sassy 10/3
My dearest FM'ily.. I am in dire need of some strength and support. Some background.. I'm 50 yrs. old and have a grown son that's 33... he's educationally/emotionally/psychologically handicapped. He recieves SS disability and has since he was small and will for the remainder of his life. He lives at home as he can't really manage on his own. He had an apt. once but I took care of all his bills, his food shopping, etc. He lived alone but I took care of him from across the way.

He met this woman online 3wks. ago.. she's married, has a grown son and is now attaching herself to him. She tells him she loves him and has now asked him to come live with her in AK.. I don't know what she plans to do with her husband (yes they are still together) and I'm not sure what she's getting from this relationship. But he's completely infatuated with her... he so wants a *normal* life and this seems like something close to that for him. I can't talk to him about it as he gets very defensive and argumentative. She is trying to drive a wedge between us, by saying things like I just don't want him happy.. I'll do whatever to keep him *home* blah blah. (We play online games and are very active in EverQuest, which is where they met. I didn't like her when I first spoke to her a few months ago and now she's using that to drive the wedge.)

I'm at my wits end as to what to do. I can't be the heavy or he will run right to her and that would be the worst thing he could do. I have to *pretend* that I don't care one way or the other so he will not feel he needs to rush off to her. They've never met face to face and have only been talking for 3 wks. But I think she has problems as well, and she is playing some sort of game.

I am so upset I can barely think straight. I know I have to let him make his choices and get his own scrapes, but this is so so so bad. It's not like he's met the bad girl in town *whatever the hell that means LOL* and is hanging out with her.. this is an online thing... it's not even a person that he's met. She's playing word games and just messing with him... and he can't see it. I can but can't say anything or he just comes unglued.

I'm in dire need of good thoughts, prayers, well wishes.. whatever it is that you believe in / do.. I need. Rather, he needs. He's being lied to and played with .. bamboozled. And I'm just the Mom that has always kept him safe and sound... and he's rebelling. He's 33 but he's really only a teenager mentally, emotionally, socially. My heart is breaking as he acts more and more belligerant and hateful .. he feels it's his only way to make a break.

I sat him down yesterday and told him fighting and causing a rift between us isn't necessary for him to leave and make a life. I told him I want him to have a life and that part of being a person was having many relationships. He doesn't understand.. he can't see how he can have someone I don't even like without breaking the bond with me. I'm so heartbroken.. so of course I'm going into a major flare due to stress, lack of sleep and hurt. I see him trying to make his way and I'm at a loss as to how to help him when he so obviously doesn't want my help.

Keep us in your prayers and good thoughts.. we can use all the help we can get. Thank you my FM'ily.. blessings to you and yours. Rest well.. gentle hugs.


Sassy with a PS 10/3
I guess I should say, his problems stem from a beating his father gave me when he was in the womb.. the first trimester. It landed me in the hospital fighting for my life and that of my son. Thankfully we both made it.. though Terry now suffers with the results of that beating. It's nothign that will change or that can be made better. Keep us in your good thoughts. Thank you.


Barb(Pa) 10/3/04
Hi All, Sassy,just read your post and it broke my heart. Ask your son how he is going to deal with the womans husband and kids...is he prepared to take on the responsibility of children.Is he prepared to go so far from home and maybe be stranded when her husband throws him out in the street,or beats him. Is there a mental health clinic close to your home that you could contact for help in explaining this to your son in terms he would understand. Can you block her from your computer? I wish I had some answers for you,but sadly I don't. I do however have the power of prayer to offer you. I also have itchy areas that drive me crazy at times. One is on my right shoulder blade and my feet get to itching so bad at night I have to get out of bed.Its a real problems sometimes. Take care all and Sassy,you and your sone will be in my prayers. God bless everyone.


Lyn in Michigan - Oct. 4
Sassy - I just read your message and I feel so bad for you. Maybe when they meet face to face this will be all over with (you can only hope)!!! If he hasn't met her yet, he may not like her imediately and all of this stress and worry will be over with. Unfortunately people meeting on the internet can be a very bad thing. It can play with people emotions and that is not fair at all due to your son's problems. I was talking to my daughter the other day and she has 3 small children and they were fooling around on the internet and one of their friends got into a site (he is a 10 year old boy) and met this young girl who was also ten and within hours of chatting she said she was going to meet him and have sex with him. My daughter wouldn't let the kids on the computer any more because of it and what is up with that a 10 year old wanting to come and have sex - maybe it was a grown-up pretending - who knows (you know what I am trying to say)!!! You wouldn't think a 10 year old would even think of saying something like that. Unfortunately I have heard of a lot of people getting hurt by these internet romances or it can be very dangerous. I hope your son doesn't emotionally get hurt by this and also "is this woman for real" - who knows. I am thinking about you and your son and saying a prayer that he doesn't get hurt by all this - I am also thinking about what you are going through. - Take care- Lyn


Lyn - Michigan - Oct 4
Hi everyone - I am looking for some advise or maybe opinions. I have been diagnosed recently with fibromyalgia only after having headaches, neck and shoulder aches very bad for approx. 3 years. I have been to every specialist there is and have had every test in the book - sinus x-rays because the headache pain goes down into my sinuses and in the front of my ears, in my jaw and in the front of my face, also cat scans, MRI's etc. etc. also have been put on every medication and pain killer that there is (I think) elavil, topamax, elidel ,steroids, dilotin, vicadin, morphine, percocet and nothing helps my pain. The neck and shoulder pain is unbearable. I have had my neck adjusted for years by several chiropractors, I have been told that my spine is dislocated and have had it adjusted and still have lots of pain, have been to an acupuncturist 15 times with no relief, had physio therapy, traction, water therapy, pain shots in my neck and up the back of my head which didn't help, cortizone shots and then I found a neurosurgeon that said he could help me. He operated on my neck and put in new vertabraes (donor bones) in C5/6 and C6/7 with titanium pins and plates. I was still feeling terrible and hadn't even closely recooperated yet and 6 weeks later I had a car accident - a women pulled out in front of me doing a u-turn- thought I was letting her in - and I didn't even see her cutting in through the traffic and we colided. - They took me to the hospital and I was diagnosed with whiplash on the right side - yes 6 weeks after my major surgery!!!! (She was immediately charged with the traffic violation) but.... 8 months later I am still in a lot of pain. (I can't tell you whether it is the same pain or worse because I didn't even re-cooperate yet from my surgery!!! When I went to the neurosurgeon for a check up after my operation and yes after my accident he said that he is afraid that the operation didn't help me at all and that my pins and plates hadn't moved and that he is afraid that I have "fibromyalgia"!!! Well to hear that I went through the operation for nothing was very upsetting to say the least but I am still in a lot of pain and my chiropractor that I go to now says that on the right side of my neck it is still quite swollen and that whiplash can take a long time for the pain to subside. The chiropractor also told me that the vertabrae above where I had my operation is now degenerating and I have a bone spur on it!!!! My question after a very long story is - does anyone think I should persue this legally after having the whiplash. As I said I don't know how much of the pain is from the fibromyalgia and how much is from the whiplash and then I have read that a car accident can case fibro. I am in a catch 22 situation. My auto insurance has been paying for therapeutic massages that my doctor has written prescriptions for due to Motor Vehicle Accident. Does anyone have any suggestions!!!! - After reading everyones messages on this board - I know that I have several other things that are fibromyalgia related too - I have insomnia really bad and have to take a sleeping pill - ambien every night and they haven't even tested me for sleep problems, the doctors at the clinic said I can stay on these pills for the rest of my life - which does not thrill me. I also take Prozac daily because this whole thing is totally depressing. Thank God my doctor has put me on celebrex instead of vioxx after reading about vioxx coming off the market. I also take Fosamax weekly and the only pain pills that might work sometimes for me is excedrin for headache neck and shoulder pain (None of the other pain killers work not even a bit so why take them?) - sorry for rambling on - but you know that nobody in our families takes this as serious as we do - or why try to talk to friends - they don't seem to want to listen any more. - sorry everyone - take care all and hopefully I can get some good advice - your friend Lyn


Barb(Pa) 10/04/04
Good Morning FMily, I want to respond to Lynn...Not all internet romance is bad. My son met his wife on the internet and she is a wonderful,loving girl. I could not have hand picked one any better than she is. They had a long distance long term relationship for over 5 years,they talked and talked by phone and e-mail and knew each other very well...probably better than most couples who live near each other.They visited each other every chance they got and built a wonderful relationship. When they finally met for the first time they were meeting someone they knew...not a stranger. I'm NOT saying all relationships spawned by the internet work out well,and certainly Sassy's son is heading into a bad situation. As for 10 year olds wanting to have sex...that is common now days. I know this may shock you,but apparently you are in the dark ages. Kids learn what they live and so many kids today are searching for love and acceptance and feel having sex is the answer. Many parents today have no time for their children or show them alot of love and concern. They are tired from long hours at a job many hate and turn to tv and movies to fill that role of their lives and what do those show kids today....sex and violence. This in turn breeds anger in the youth.I have pre teen grandchildren and it scares me when they start telling me the things going on in their age group. I ALWAYS have time to just listen and talk to them(not at them) at any time of day or night. Please don't feel I'm coming down on you Lynn...its just I wanted to respond about these two issues to you and anyone else who feels as you do. just my opinion..no big deal,we have a policy in here to agree to disagree,so there is my 2 cents worth. Have a great Monday,hope the weather is sunny and warm. Gentle hugs,and extra one to you Lynn.


Barb(Pa) 10/4/04
Me again...just read your second post Lyn,you have been through the wringer girlfriend !!! Hope you soon find some relief from your pain. You will be in my prayers


Lyn - Michigan - Oct. 4
This message is for Barb!!! Sorry Barb, I meant nothing hurtful to anyone about internet romances. I guess I should have kept my opinion to myself, I thought maybe I was giving Sassy some support and I shouldn't have said what I said. I just have heard several terrible stories and several dangerous stories about internet romances and I shouldn't have said anything. Yes I am sure there can be lots of wonderful stories also about people meeting on the internet. I really don't think that I am in the dark ages about 10 year olds wanting to have sex I guess I must really think that 10 year olds shouldn't even be thinking about sex yet but yes that is maybe only my opinion. Sorry again Barb!!! I hope everyone has a nice day!!!!


Lara 10/4/2004
Hello my beautiful people!! I hope all are doing well. There are some isssues amongst all of us it seems. Kids nowadays are very much like young adults. They see things on tv and hear things thru music it is very scary. My 12 year old is doing a little better now. We have looked into boarding schools for troubled teens and she knows what is going on. Looks like she is going to make an effort to get along with the family now. We shall see. I feel for all of you. Every one has this FMS and regular problems on top can be excruciating. On the brighter side of life, I am soooooo excited. We are going to buy this house we are living in. It is owned by my mother and she will sell it to us for below market price. We have been renovating it for the past 2 years now. New kitchen, drywall in the garage, backyard landscaping, and now the living room has been re-drywalled and re-textured. I will be painting it myself in the next couple of weeks. Weather here has gotten cooler and I have been sore. I have found if I keep moving I do better, but I have also learned (painfully) that I must not everdoo or get the "gotta do's" again. That hurts way to much. I am still learning my limits and some days those are different than other days go figure LOL. I pulled my left shoulder out last weekend helping my hubby take the old drywall off the wall and lifting new drywall out of the truck. That was on Saturday and I felt real good HAHA. Then on Sunday felt sore but kept on going. By Monday morning I was in extreme pain and could not move my arm. I thought I was having a heart attack. I got scared and went right in to see the Dr. and that is when he told me I pulled my shoulder out. Soooo I will not be lifting like that again for a long time!!!! Since then diapering squirmmy toddlers with one arm has been an adventure in pain and laughter. I think my little ones had it figured that mommy was down and they were taking advantage. Well we got thru it and now I am starting to feel better again. They know it too cause now they cant get away from me and laugh at mommy. My oldest daughter was a help the last week with the chores and the twins as well. Also on 9-28-04 was my birthday, I have now hit the 35 mile marker. I like where I am now but I wish I could have done it at 25 ya know. Sorry for the long post. I am feeling lonely today and have a lot to say. I look forward to reading more posts. Love to all.....Lara


Lara 10/4/2004
Hi all again. I know what I am about to ask might be a touchy subject to some of you but I was told somethingand would like some input. My neighbor has a cousin or something (friend?) that has FM. And she told me that marijuana helps. Now I dont know much, and I geuss they have a Prescription for it, but it is supposed to fight pain. The way I look at it is that the government knows it helps ruematoid arthritis and MS sufferers as well as other forms of chronic pain disorders, why is it not known to all people about this? And also is my information correct or am I being informed incorrectly? Just wondering. Vicodin is so bad for you and so are some of the other things they give us. Could this be an alternative? I dont know. Does any one else know. There are days where I could relate to some pain relief without getting sick from pills. And there are days when the pills dont work as well as they can be highly addictive. I have heard that marijuana is not physically addictive. Dont worry people this was just an inquiry. I am not going to start smoking the stuff with out a Doctors recommendation or prescription. And I think a lot more study has to be done. Just wondering if any one actually knows the facts. Also if this person is doing something that is going to hurt them (like smoking wont?) then I would like to pass on the info that they are doing more harm than good as far as the FM is concerned. I am worried that people get so desperate for relief that they do things that are not good for them. What is the actual cost of that to your health overall. ok have a wonderful day.


July, on Oct. 4
Well! I leave you alone for a couple of days, and look at all that is going on! The easy part first: BEACHBUM, if you want to do squash, can't you hack it in large chunks, steam it, and THEN peel it? Skin comes off really easy that way. STARR, I love to cross-stitch. I'm looking for a large, complex, ornate Father Christmas. If you see one, let me know! LYN, I know it sounds stupid, but most of my pain is also head, neck, shoulders, upper back. It's awful. But I've found that if I do 1/2 hour on the treadmill each morning, it seems to loosen up everything, and my pain is so much less that after several months, I'm even able to use hand weights for additional exercises. They say exercise works and you feel too near to death to care, but it does help a lot. SASSY, I'm at a complete loss for you! I can't imagine your fear. The best I can offer is if he actually starts packing or asks her to come and get him, it may call her bluff and she'll disappear. She certainly isn't going to support him, and you can withhold financial help unless he comes home. I think he'll figure out what's going on sooner rather than later, and I'm so sorry for is pain and frustration -- and yours. Maybe if you offer to help him pack and drive him to meet her, he'll panic and not want to go??? I suppose it's better than having to let him out of your sight. I can't imagine that she's serious. Boy, am I glad I don't have HER karma! Warm, gentle, fuzzy hugs to all as we go through the seasonal changes.


Barb(Pa) 10/04/04
TFirst part of this post is for Lyn...Lyn,sorry if you took offense to what I posted,as I stated,it is "my" opinion and yes you have every right to state yours. I took no offense to what you said,I am an adult and capable of dealing with and listening to difference of opinion. I hope this isn't going to create a problem between us or others in here. CONGRADULATIONS on buying the house Lara. I guess with as time and money you have already put into it it is the right thing to do. Gentle hugs


Lyn - Michigan
July, thanks for your advice about the treadmill. I exercise 3 times a week at a fitness club that I belong to. I do all my exercising in the water in the form of water aerobics, water sport class and weight training. They say it is much easier on your joints and I believe it. I used to do basic training, core and weight training on the floor and I was always pulling something or in pain so I chose to work out in the water. I am also get my neck adjusted by a new chiropractor that says by adjusting my "atlas" he hopefully can get things loosened up so I am trusting that maybe he can help me. I just came back from my 5th adjustment with him and the first time trying to adjust nothing happened and I didn't hear a crack so he tried again and it was so loud when it cracked it scared me and I cried all the way home. It didn't really hurt that much just shocks you!!!! He says that my neck is quite inflamed from the whiplash I got in a car accident 8 months ago and with my surgery and fibromyalgia I think today I am feeling sorry for myself. Is that allowed? I hope everyone is doing well. Take care. Lyn


Fay-Texas 10/4/2004
Hi Sassy, I also have a son that is mentally handicapped. He is 31 years old and still likes Power Rangers and such. The doc's say he has the mental of an 8 to 10 year old. I don't know. Sometimes he gets depressed because he wants to have a life like his two brothers, which are married and have children. He wants to be a daddy very bad. I think thats because he relates to children.He used to get so depressed he would set on his bed and cry and ask me the question, "why me Mom"? It would tare my heart out! I just said, "I don't know Trav." Then about 8 years ago him and his 10 yr old cousin was playing and I don't know what his cousin said to him but I will love him forever. That night when Travis was getting ready for bed he looked up at me and smiled and said, "don't worry mom, I understand now, I'm not sad anymore. I said, "what do you understand Trav?" He said, "I'm a lucky little boy Mom, I'll be young forever. I can play with toys all the time and it's OK." I had to excuse myself and go into the bathroom and cry. The next day I called my nephew and told him I didn't know what he said to Travis to make him so happy with himself but that I loved him forever for it. Sometimes Travis still wants to know why he can't get married like his brothers, I explained to him what it takes such as money, getting a job, not being able to play with his toys, getting up with babies all durning the night, not buying any cd's or movies he likes, and I also at the end of all of this I explain how he was born special and that God has a plan for him and that he has someone special waiting for him if he will just wait. Someone that will love him with all her hart and have beautiful children for him and he will get to do all the things he has always dreamed of. I also explained to him how people will take advantage of him too and he seems to understand and goes on until the next time he decides he wants to get married.ha Then sometimes I give him the choice, and it goes something like this when it happens, (travis)"Mom I need a woman." (mom)"Trav, I will give you a choice, you can have a woman or a CD, which one do you want?" Now think about it." A woman cost a lot of money, you wont have anything left over for a CD." He puts his finger to his chin and looks at me a shakes his head up and down and says, "uuumm, I think I'll take CD." ha Very wise little boy. You say the woman is married? Anyway you can find out where the husband works? Do a print out of the notes she is sending your son and send it to her husband. If she gets too scary, your son is a child, turn her in. And that's what I would do if it were Travis. These Special Children are caught between two worlds. They are not adults and yet they aren't really children either. They see men and women with relationships and they want one. They would like to be loved and hugged and kissed and drive a car and go to work, etc.. It gets very fustrating(sp) for them sometimes. I admire my son very much. To be able to accept the way you are and not ask, "why me", anymore but just believe. How we could all take a lesson from these very Special People. God's Special Children. Have a gentle day, and you will also be in my prayers.


Lyn - Michigan Oct. 4
Barb - from Lyn, no offense taken, I just felt like I put my foot in my mouth and didn't mean anything by it, everything is fine!!!! Lara - congratulations on your house, that is great, yes just take it easy when you are painting , do it at your own pace and have fun!!!! Also about the marijuana - I have also heard about that and I don't know too much about it. I am also very leary of pain killers. I had one doctor tell me that so what if you get hooked on pain pills at least you won't be in pain. He was a specialist that I went to see if besides fibro did I also have TMJ and he asked me what pain pills had ever helped me and I said Diloted which is what they gave me in the hospital after my neck surgery. (I think it might be morphine) I know they were very strong and so he said well then try them at home and gave me a prescription and when I went to get it filled I had to call 4 pharmacies to find them because they said they were a controlled substance drug and I had to go through quite a bit to get them. I felt liked they looked down on me at the drugstore where I got them and I tried them twice and they didn't take the pain away so I stopped taking them. My son is 24 and he is always saying "Mom maybe you should try medical marijuana" and I just laugh at him but he says that people say that it is legal if the doctor prescribes it for pain!!!! That is all I know and if your cousin gets it legally for pain and it works- who are we to judge!!!! Take care and have fun with your house. - Lyn in Michigan


Katielady 10/04/04
Good Day All- Lyn-of course you are allowed to feel sorry for yourself. It's natural to have a day or so of that. Every so often, I will break down and cry and in some weird way that is therapeutic. Sassy- I am so sorry to hear about your son. The only suggestion I can think of is their somebody else that he is close to that he will listen to regarding this woman? Sometimes hearing it from another person helps. I suppose he wants all the regular things in life and it must be difficult for him. I will keep you in my thoughts. As for internet romances, that is how I met my husband, but I will say that I met some frogs on the net before my prince. I also did meet some great guys that I have maintained friendships with. It's a tricky situation meeting anyone in this day and age whether by tradional means and technological ones. I wish all of you peace and serenity! Hugs to all....


Jennifer
Hi All! My name is Jennifer and my mom has fibromyalgia. She asked me to help her find information on social security and fibro (so this is for you U.S. people). What are your experiences with getting soc sec? My mom has been out ot the work force for quite a few years now. Her soc sec is under review and she's very worried. Thanks in advance for your help and any info you can provide. Take care!


BeachBum 10/4/04
Hi Everyone!

SASSY: I'm so sorry you are going through this. Surely this will all blow over, I hope. A lot can change in a day or week.

JULY: I plan on getting me some butternut squash, hauling out the old electric turkey carver, and slicing some up! If it can cut thru a 20 lb turkey, it should be able to handle a 2 lb squash. If anyone is interested, I'll share my mom's pie recipe. It should be in her stuff somewhere at my house.

My first visit to rehab was today. The therapist measured my flexibility (lack of) and balance (lack of). Then she taught me some nice stretching exercises which have already made me feel so much looser. Tomorrow I go back for the pool therapy. I can't wait to get in that warm water and loosen up!


Barb(Pa) 10/4/04
Darn,read over my last couple of posts and it looks like I should go to spelling class...LOL Fay,what a beautiful story!!! We can all learn from God's choosen ones;we should have the faith and trust of children and enjoy life to the fullest. Some days Lyn,I feel very sorry for myself and then I stop and look around me or listen to the news and know that even with my pain and problems I am still very lucky. My roof might leak,but at least I have one. My truck might breakdown,but at least I am free to drive it any place in this country I want to go,my body might hurt,but it brought me to this site and the meeting of some wonderful friends. We will probably get a load out tomorrow,but if not,I'll catch ya then.Supposed to frost here tonight,I guess summer is really gone. God bless


katielady 10/5/04
Good morning- I am having a problem and I am hoping that maybe you guys can help me. A few weeks ago, I had minor surgery on my right hand to remove 3 small growths. The surgeon gave me internal sutures, I demanded an antibiotic,(had to fight for that!) and went on my way. The sutures expeled themselves from my hand. Oh yeah, had a sebaceous cyst removed in June that did the same thing. So last week she re-sutured with traditional black external sutures. Well, they are all gone as well, my skin peeled away with them like something out of a horror film. Gross to say the least. I am now am back to square one with a gaping wound on my hand. I am still taking an antibiotic, but you can clearly see it is still infected. The pathology report said that the growths are not malignant, but indicative of an autoimmune problem. Isn't fibro an auto-immune related illness? I have an appoint to meet with a rhematologist next week. Now I am running a fever and feel awful. I just don't know which way to turn. Any advice? Thanks so much. Hugs to all.


Barb(Pa) 10/5/04
Good Morning FMily, Katielady,have butterfly strips put on the wound.My son had to go that route for the same reason. Your body rejects anything foreign big time. You will most likely have a noticeable scar,but it will close up. We are ready to head out,all we need now is a load. Talk to ya later


Bonnie Tuesday October 05, 2004
Stopped by the doctors office yesterday and got a new prescription to take the place of Vioxx, It's called Mocib. I wondered if anyone else was taking it as I've never heard of it. Could have had Bextra, which I have heard of, but the Mocib was a bit cheaper and they indicated it might be a bit stronger. Just 4 days of being off Vioxx has me almost chair bound with every joint protesting.
Internet romances---I know of some good ones, but I also know of bad ones. Unfortunately the bad ones ruined the lives of a couple people very dear to me. We have no idea who we are talking to on the Internet and the old saying still holds true, "on the Internet, no one knows you're a dog". People can pretend they are anything or anybody. Why they do this is beyond me.....the word cruel comes to mind.

Katielady, I advise you get yourself to a wound specialist or at least have another doctor check your hand. If you are running a fever and have an infection do not walk but run to someone who can help.
Jennifer, if your mom has applied for social security disability she just has to keep fighting to get it. They very seldom give it to you without at least one rejection. However, if she has not worked in ten years she may be turned down. That is what happened to me and because it was the law, I could do nothing about it.
Barb, you always manage to see the rainbow no matter what happens. Hope you get your roof fixed, your truck fixed, your back gets better, and you are up and running soon.


July, on Oct. 5
LYN, I hope the chiro helps you. I used to go to one, but I would be bedridden for at least a day after, the pain was so awful. It was like my whole body would go into shock -- I guess an adjustment caused me a fibro flare each time. FAY, I think you are brilliant in how you handle your son and in your advice to SASSY. Of course tell the husband if you can find him, or turn her in. Your son may be mad at you for a while, but it's better than not knowing where he is! BEACHBUM, I would LOVE to have your squash pie recipe! It's something I know I could get my man to eat. Have to be sneaky with those veggies sometimes. KATIELADY, I agree with BONNIE. I'd go to an urgent care clinic, if I were you. The fever makes it too important to wait. So sorry you're not healing well. I'm sure it's related to fibro somehow. Does anyone get angry red bumps that actually come to a head but don't drain? They're so big and so sore, and if one breaks open, it bleeds and bleeds but there's no pus or anything. I'm getting them lately around straps and elastic. I swear, my underwear is trying to kill me! Hope everyone is having a lovely fall day. HUGS


LindaG 10/5/04
Has anyone else tried the newly approved Mirapex for fm? Months ago I gave research on it@ Phase trial level to my Rheum, and then I saw a neurologist who gave me a 63 tab sample (!!).125mg 3X a day for a week has me walking more upright and walking easier.Clearer thinking too. I am so hopeful. Someone on the Wall mentioned it and is having same good results. Let me know your experience w/ Mirapex. I've tried everything and hate to give false hope, but maybe... Gentle hugs and hope.


Barb(Pa) 10/5/04
Hi FMily, Just a quick post to let ya all know we got a load and will be heading to L.A.,Cal. tomorrow. So glad I have such wonderful neighbors who mow my grass,shovel snow,water plants and keep a watchful eye on things here. "Real" neighbors are few and far between nowdays. Next time I write I will probably be on the road. Wishing all happy days ahead


July, on Oct. 5
By the way, everyone please keep your fingers crossed for me! My guy found out yesterday that the house across from where he works is for rent, and the company he works for owns it! He's a supervisor, so he was going in first thing this morning to ask if we could see it. It's on several acres on a stocked river, with room for a vegetable garden. I SO HOPE we can get it, and out of our lease in this apartment that floods every time it rains. I think they almost HAVE to let us out in conditions like this, you know? I'm afraid to be excited, and I can't begin to imagine where I'd find the strength to pack, but I know our friends would help, and I really want to move. Say a prayer! Thanks.


Lara 10/5/2004
JULY- I get these little red bumps that itch real bad like you have to get them open. I try not to break the skin but sometimes that happens when you itch them in your sleep! When they do break they just bleed a little then stop. Reminds me of a wierd mosquito bite ya know? As for the underwear... I dont like them any way so I dont wear them unless I have to go to church LOL!!! Footloose and fancy free is my modo!!! Wearing sweatpants in the winter with no undies is ok. As for a bra.. well I would burn mine if I didnt have to go to church with it on. The rest of the time it is like the undies. I think I should start calling all that stuff NONEdies.. HAHAHA Ok everyone have a wonderful day and be well and warm!!!!!!


Katielady 10/05/04
Hi All- Lara- I love it! Nonedies! I am so glad to know that I am not alone with that. I am glad it is getting to be "sweat pants" weather. I am all about comfort. As for my hand, I have been cleaning it with hydrogen peroxide and it seems much better. I think I have a case of "fibro flu". Been under lots and lots of stress lately and my body has just come to a halt. I called the surgeon and left a message, but she never called me back. And she got paid how many thousands of dollars for this? At least my insurance company paid for it, if it came out of my pocket I would be so much more irritated than I already am. It's not her fault it's happened, but she could call back! Thank you to everyone for the advice. Hugs to everyone.


Elaine 10-5-04
10-5-04 I just found this site today and have spent an hour reading your comments. It is helpful for me to know that I am not all alone in this "syndrome". I wish I could find a good dr. in the St. Louis, Mo area who really understands the problems and doesn't tell me to "just live with it!" I know that but it would help if they seemed to be concerned and understood what we are going through. Thank you for this site. I will visit again soon!


Tuesday October 05, 2004 Rach
I cant remember who asked.................but Yes marijuana does give many people pain relief for all sorts of conditions, and is also a natural muscle relaxant. it works for me.............i dont think i would manage without it. if anyone wants more info, i will happily give it, as long as i wont offend anyone.


Robbi-Colorado-Oct 5
I've had an interesting day chasing my medical charts around...went to the physical therapist, accupunturist, and even called the therapist I saw when I recieved the fibro diagnosis and wasn't able to work. The accupunturist said some interesting things to me -- First, she said that she has had a lot of difficulty collecting from ANY insurance company do to new regulations. My insurance company won't pay for treatments because she is not an MD or DO...she then stated "its much easier to get disability if you're crazy...maybe you should try that route" hmmmm? Should I be insulted? Actually she meant it as a joke, but that gave me the idea to get the record from the therapist...let me see--that makes about 5 people that have given me the fibro diagnosis, or backed it up! Then, the accupuncturist told me that most of the notes from my sessions indicate that I was feeling better, or was much improved...she said "too bad you didn't stop taking prozac before you came in so we could really document how you feel..." followed by: "you are too cheerful--its the prozac that makes you that way..." well, that was a little over the top! My response was that I was that way before the prozac, before the fibro, before the arthritis, and that no matter what, I continue to work to be happy AND cheerful--it's just in my makeup...not that I don't have bad days, feel down, blue, and downright nasty sometimes--it's just not in my character to pass it on to others...(if I feel bad, you should feel bad too!??) A bad attitude just never gets me anywhere...of course, she is totally against ANY kind of medication (unless it's natural). That's why I never went back to her--total difference of opinion. Maybe she would like to "walk a mile in my mocassins for a day or two!"??

About medical marijuana--things in Colorado are kind of squirrely--they just recently busted someone locally that had a prescription for it, and its caused a lot of media coverage...both good and bad...for myself, I've found it doesn't work--I still feel pain, and it messes with my memory, which is bad enough as it is! So, I stick to the Tramadol. I would gladly vote for it to be legalized for everyone, especially those that need it for pain (if it works for them). There are certainly a lot worse things out there to worry about and put people in jail for...

I get that dang rash too--mostly on my legs. I always end up with little sores all over--I think I scratch them in my sleep! They are sooo itchy.

Guess I'll get off the soapbox...everyone have a good evening! Better living through chemistry, or whatever floats your boat...


BeachBum 10/6/04
BUTTERNUT SQUASH PIE
2 lbs of butternut squash, cooked and drained (about 1 ¾ cups)
1 cup sugar
½ tsp salt
½ tsp ground cinnamon
¼ tsp ground nutmeg
¼ tsp ground ginger
2 eggs, slightly beaten
1 TBL melted butter
1 ½ cup milk
1 unbaked 9” pie shell

Combine squash, sugar, salt, cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger, eggs, and butter in a blender, blend until smooth. Gradually blend in milk. Pour mixture into pie shell.

Bake in 425 degree oven 45 minutes or until knife inserted halfway between edge and center comes out clean. Cool on rack. Serve with whipped cream.


BeachBum 10/6/04
Elaine: Are you anywhere near Colombus, Missouri? The Missouri Arthritis Rehabilitation Research and Training Center is there at the University of Missouri-Columbia. Maybe they can help. Best Wishes!


cindy--10-6-04
hi, it has been nice here for about a week now. but my knees are on the fritz. even with my pain meds. it might be because i have been stressedout lately. my boss has been keeping his sisters cats in our offices for about a month or two. and i am attached to them. well, now we (or i) have until friday to find them a home or he is going to have them put down. i did find someone who would take them if they could stay in a barn, but he said no. i knowthey are house cats but i think they could adapt. i just don't think they are disposable, just because your life changes a little. i have a cat at home and plan on keeping her, i make ajustments. however my landlord only permits one cat or i would take them home. so, i am stressed because of this. i know they are only cats. thanks for listening, gentle hugs.


Lyn-Michigan Oct. 6
Hi everyone!!! I hope you are all having a wonderful fall day. Got up this morning and it was 64 degrees in the house and then I knew why I was soooo cold. I just wanted to know if anyone has tried Seasilver? I took it for quite a while and I think it helped with my energy level and thought of ordering some more. I was wondering if anyone else had good results with it or if there is another favourite out there for energy or just a good multi mineral that has helped? Thanks


July on Oct. 6
I certainly am a big fan of "nonedies" at home, but I can't come to work that way! I'm sure the rash would be worse if I were all bound up at home, though. CINDY, they're not "only cats," and I understand your stress completely. I've gone to hell and back for my cats numerous times, and my guy is even more googly over the one we have now than I am. THAT'S how you know you have a good man. And by how he treats his mother. And by how he reacts to a flat tire. If he's good in those 3 situations, you probably have a keeper! I'm going to do some research on the MIRAPEX. Next time I see my doc, I'll ask. My knees and hands and feet are bad today, but I'm still thankful for fall, and excited to see winter come. As long as I hurt ALL THE TIME, the seasons might as well keep changing! I hope no one is doing too badly. KATIELADY, I'm glad the peroxide is working. Ya gotta have hands, ya know? Thanks for being here, my inspirational FMily; I appreciate you one and all. HUGS


Lara 10/6/2004
TO LYN IN MICHIGAN- What I take is my Double X multi in the morning and at nite. It helps me alot. I think you all know I have the twins and a 12 year old. Even with this fibro I am still able to keep up with them for the majority of the time. I believe that if I didnt take my vitamins then I would not be doing as well as I am. When I was first diagnosed I was really in bad shape and since then I really beefed up the vitamins and minerals. It has helped. If you want more info on what I take please feel free to email me just put FM or fibro or something like that on the subject so I dont think it is junk mail. Ok guys I have to help my nieghbor clean her house she cant keep up and I told her I would help. I send warm fuzzies out to everyone. Love to all. Lara


Lyn - Michigan - Oct. 6
This message is for Lara!!!! Thanks for answering my question on the vitamins. I was on one for a long time that a homeopathic doctor gave me and he is soooo expensive I was just wondering if there was something just as good out there. Can you tell me where you buy this Double X vitamin, maybe what it says on the label so I can make sure I get the same one. Is double x the brand name. Thanks Lyn (PS) - I didn't want to go right to your e-mail address because I thought maybe this vitamin might help other fibro friends out there too!!!


Kay 10/6
Lyn - I have tried the Seasilver and really like it because it is an all
inclusive product and is liquid so more bioavailable...tastes good too. I
am new to the Wall and posted for the first time about a week ago. I had
started taking Mirapex...I was so shocked and excited about my results that
I posted here. Has anyone else taken it and gotten good results? I am so
thankful to have found the Wall. There are so many kind people here going
through the same experiences with this disease who have such wonderful
advice...thank you all. I hope you have a good day and gentle hugs to all.


Lara 10/6/2004
TO LYN I have emailed you privately. If you do not get it please let me know on the wall. Thanks. Also to everyone else out there I can not advertise on the wall so if you want more info on the vitamins that I take personally then please feel free to email me privately. Thanks all and have a great day.


Robbi October 6
Hi all, back again today. Made a visit to the dentist. Haven't been in for two years (yup, I have a definate adversion to dentists). Someone here was talking about gum and jaw problems earlier. I have been having problems with pain and swelling in my jaw, and since it wasn't my glands, I thought I better check with the dentist. He gave me a thorough exam, and came to three conclusions: 1)my glands are within normal limits, 2)my problems were not being caused by TMJ (yup, I've got that too) and 3)I have an underlying problem, probably caused by a viral infection...Since I'm going to the Denver Arthritis Center next week, he wants them to test for viral infections, such as those caused by ticks, mono, or herpes...so, I need to go back and read the old posts about viruses that someone posted earlier. Actually, I never really recovered from having the Norwalk virus, and it's a possibility I still have it!~I don't know whether I feel better or worse after talking with him...So this afternoon I've been couch bound, definately fatiqued from running around yesterday and this morning. And kind of blue too. talk to you later. Robbi


Lyn in Michigan-Oct. 6
Robbi- I was just reading your e-mail. It is ironic as I went to the dentist yesterday just for my 6 months check-up. The roof of my mouth has been sore for a few days and everything in my mouth is very sensitive. Cold water and hot bothers it. I have had jaw pain for quite a while too whether it is my fibro or from my car accident, I am not sure. I went to a maxilliofacial specialist to see if I had TMJ and he said that I don't. I am not sure if I believe him as my jaw, behind my ears, in front of my ears and my head ache all the time. Anyway to make a long story short, I also have Epstein Barr virus and CMV which is a form of Epstein Barr which is a form of mono. (My homeopathic doctor ordered the test for this. Sorry this story is getting longer. I am sure that you are probably aware that Epstein Barr also goes hand in hand with Chronic Fatigue syndrome also is a liver virus. Have you been tested for that virus? When I told the dentist that my whole mouth was sore he said that maybe I had an infection and I figured it has something to do with my Epstein Barr. Just a thought!!! I don't know if this helps you at all, probably not, but thought I would tell you what I have been tested for also besides having Fibro!!! . Sorry, I hope you feel better soon. Let me know what you find out at the specialist. Thanks Lyn (The virus - think you said Norwalk, what is that?)


Lyn in Michigan - Oct. 6
Lara, I didn't get your e-mail about those vitamins. Maybe you could try again, I would appreciate it!!! Thanks Lyn


Lyn in Michigan- Oct. 6
Sorry that last message was for Robbi not Lara about the vitamin info. Thanks Lyn


Starr in WV 10/6/04
Cindy - I saw your post about the cats. Maybe you can contact a local animal shelter and they can help you. Or sometimes you can go online and find private rescue people who will take unwanted animals and find them homes. No animal should be put down just because it is an inconvenience to someone. I have two "pound puppies". My boss has a dog that comes to work with her. Good luck.


Starr in WV -10/6/04
Sassy - I was reading your message about your son. I have a nephew that is similar. He is in his late 40's and everytime he has lived on his own or tried to live a "normal" life, he has gotten scammed and had to go back home. He is also on disability. I was wondering if it would help if you would suggest that you and he go to meet this lady, maybe halfway. If you son is wanting to be normal, perhaps maybe he hasn't been honest with her? I don't mean to hurt your feelings or anything but I know my nephew tries so hard to be normal and he just isn't. It is very sad.


Michelina 10/06/2004
I have another question for all my fibro friends, have any of you noticed a sudden decrease in eyesite since diagnosis...? When my recent really horrible flare started...last oct/nov, (still hanging on), I began for the first time in my life needing to use reading glasses. I really could not read at all without them, everything appeared blurry. I had an eyetest and then was prescribed glasses for driving, to see far away. Today I cannot read anything without reading glasses...and I find my eyes fading off into blurs...even when driving....uncontrollable. It is just my eyes being lazy? It is disconcerting. Thanks for listening!


Lyn in Michigan - Oct. 7
Lara - Sorry I am losing it, I have been posting on the wall to you and Robbi and I have got mixed up. I didn't get "your" info about the vitamins yet on my own e mail. Can you send me the info again. Thanks Lyn (must be old age or something ha ha)!!!!


Lyn in Michigan - Oct. 7
Michelina, I was reading your e-mail about your eyesight going blurry. Yes I find that quite often all of a sudden I can't focus very good at all and I think maybe I am going blind and then all of a sudden it comes back OK. I have had bad headaches for 3 years and that is what started my headache. I all of a sudden couldn't focus one day and then when my eyesight came back properly my head was aching really bad and I have had every test possible done and they say my eyes are perfect so maybe it is a part of the fibro, I am not sure. I do have to wear reading glasses and I did find just one day all of a sudden I couldn't see up close but I just think that was my age. Does anyone else have an unexplained headache that never ever goes away. I am sure the headache is coming from my neck and shoulder pain and have had cat scans and mri's and they can't see anything wrong. It is frustrating!!!! Hope everyone is having a good day. Lyn


Beth in Ohio 10/07/04
Hi, all. Good weather today. High 60's and wall to wall sunshine. I'm only working 3 days this week because of a stupid head cold. But it seems to be going away this morning, just blowing my nose alot. I used the vaporizor last night, and I think that helped. I didn't get to sleep til 1:00 am because I have been reading the Left Behind:the kids, and I had just gotten the last book (#40). 200 pages and I read the whole thing in one sitting. I am also reading the grown-up Left Behind series, and I am waiting for the Glorious Appearing to come out in paperback on November 16. Since I started the series with the paperbacks, I refuse to read the next installment until it comes out in paperback.

I had been put on Vioxx a while back, but I had an allergic reaction to it and had to stop. I can't take any of the arthritis meds; I get a mouthful of awful canker sores. They are caused by a Herpes virus, and it has nothing to do with sex. Just something I have always had and always will. My hands and neck and shoulders and very ouchy this morning, so I am going to take a hot shower and try to look presentable and try to do some errands around town. Gentle Hugs.


July on Oct. 7
Good Morning, FMily! SASSY, please keep us posted on what is happening with your son. These people are so smart! Maybe offering to take him to meet her is just the ticket. I still say she'll back down or disappear. EYES, yes, some days are just "fibro blur" days, and I can hardly see. I've tried drops, but it isn't really my "eyes," I guess, because they don't help. Then on other days it's fine. HEADACHE that never goes away, mine goes with continuted, regular upper-body exercise, usually yoga. When I don't do it, I have a constant headache that I also conclude is from tense muscles. Tylenol has long been my best friend. Boy, the tender points are REALLY tender lately! Everyone is throwing around a number of VIRUS names. I swear, there's gotta be something to that. I'd like to get on anti-viral meds and see if it helps. I'm also encouraged by another positive report on the MIRAPEX. It would be so nice to have at least some of my "normal" life back. Hey, is this weather making anyone else anxious for Christmas?? I was telling Starr, I like to wrap presents and put them out LONG before Christmas because it drives my guy crazy! A legal form of torture! HUGS to all you supportive friends!


janet
Hi I just have to ask you all something I have a son who is 18 just getting out of a mental place, He has told me the he is going to kill me when he gets out . but my husband thinks that he is only angry .His doctor said not to worry about it .But i can't help not to My husband said if I don"t take him back my marrage is over and my son and he will get a appartment together and I get nothing. I don"t know what to do It will be 27 years nest month for us But i can:t handle it anuy more MY fibro has been realy acting us i hurt all over nothing is hellping this flair at all. Sorry so long I just don"t know what to do


Bonnie Oct 7, 2004
Question about Mirapex. Is this the drug that is used for Parkinson Disease? I recall reading that a drug used for that disease also caused problems with the heart. Can't remember the name of that med so was wondering about it.
Do any of you have a problem with your doctor not wanting to prescribe a drug for fibro that is meant for another disease?
It's been almost a week since I stopped Vioxx and the pain is getting worse. So far the Mobic doesn't seem to be doing anything. I know that it takes time, but it's hard to remember that when I can't get out of bed in the morning!

The squash pie recipe sounds yummy. Plan to try it today. Beach Bum, Would it be ok to put the recipe on our food pages?


Fay-Texas 10/7/2004
Good Morning everyone! Foggy damp day here in Waco. Should make for an interesting day, starting with my headache. My Chiropractor is off a week and can't wait till he gets back! Was reading about the headaches and blurry eyes and jaw pain. Last year when I went to the emergency room with "the" panic attack I told the ER doctors there about the pain in my neck and jaw, I thought I might be having a heart attack or something. He said everything checked out fine and that the pain in my jaw and neck was coming from my fibro. At times my jaws get so sore that it is hard for me to open my mouth and chew. Sometimes the pain is up high by my ear, which causes my ear to hurt also, or runs along my jaw bone, which I thought at one time was my teeth acting up. Had that checked out. Nope, Fibro. Also had x-rays done on my head and face because of pain. No sinus infection. Told me it was Fibro. I have had the muscles in my face move around like some sience fiction movie, you know, when little things crawl under the skin. When I saw that one morning I thought, "that's great, now I have to go out in public with my face moving around, what's next?" ha Nothing surprises me anymore! The blurry eyes? Yep, mostly when my neck gets stressed like when I'm driving, reading, watching TV. I really hate it when I go to town and the way back they start acting up. I live 13 miles from town and if I drive too long my eyes get real blurry even with my glasses. When I go to get new glasses I have to wait and go on a day I have "normal" vision, if there is any such thing anymore. I have noticed when my eyes get that way I can rub the back of my neck under my head and it gets better, or if your at home do this with a cool rag over your eyes and just let your eyes rest for a little while, that seems to help also. Hope everyone has a wonderful gentle Fall day! I'm glad it's Christmas too! Gives me something to focus on besides pain! Now if I can just have enough good days to go shopping!ha


Farcast 2004/10/07
Hello folks, I was dx in 97 but symptoms long before. Been through lots of tests and
meds and just hanging in. Does anyone else with FMS provide care for a spouse?
Mine has MS (dx 14 yrs ago) and having rough time keeping up with my
own disability, the MS, keeping house, and job, etc. No outside life to
speak of. Feeling overwhelmed and trapped. Anyone else have similar
challenges? Thanks. Take care. Farcast.


Robbi--October 7
Good morning all. It's certainly been a tough week. Last night I developed swelling on the right side of my face, especially around the eye. I woke up about 4 this morning and felt very dizzy and had problems maintaining my balance when I got up to use the restroom. Looks like someone punched me in the eye! Dang..one thing after another...I'm glad I scheduled to see another specialist next week. I didn't think swelling was a symptom of fibro, so I'm concerned and don't know what's causing it. I'm still in my pajamas this morning, and I think I'll stay that way for a while.

Check out the Center for Disease Control's website to look up all those special viruses that seem to like us so much-- www.cdc.gov

I've also had the vision problems described--always check out with perfect vision when I go to the optometrist however. He did give me reading glasses that help. Sometimes I don't need them, sometimes I can't read without them. How irritating! I agree with whoever said that this blasted disease won't kill you, but it will annoy you to death!

Janet, your situation sounds very scary. I guess I don't believe everything the doctors say, including psychologists. Trust your instincts-you are the only person that knows what is right for you. I wouldn't live with anyone that threatened to kill me. Sounds like he needs MORE help, and should either get a job and go out on his own, or continue treatment because he's not fixed yet. It sounds like your husband is holding you hostage and could use some help as well. Of course, that's easily said, but hard to do. Good luck, remember to take care of yourself first.

Later...the couch potatoe.


Katielady 10/07/04
Hello FM'ily- I just read the posts from this morning. Janet- I am worried for you, please don't take the situation with your son lightly. Trust your instincts, and I agree with Robbi-you need to take care of yourself. I am sure it must be an awful situation for you on so many levels. Remember we are here to support you. Bonnie- I take mobic too and don't notice much help from it. I wonder why do I keep taking it? Hugs to All


July on Oct. 7
JANET, I agree: If you're afraid, that is significant. If your husband is issuing that kind of ultimatum, it sounds like your marriage is already "over." I can't imagine someone who loves me wanting to put me in a situation I'm not comfortable with. FARCAST, I'm amazed at the number of people on this very Wall who are full-time caretakers for someone physically dependant on them. It makes me weary for you just to think about it. Maybe there are associations in your area that can help, even if just to "sit" for a couple hours a week so you can get out. I used to volunteer for Hospice, and I know what a relief it was for families to get away for a bit. I can't imagine having someone need me so much. Visit us here often and we'll encourage you as much as we can. HUGS to all.


BeachBum 10/7/04
Please be my guest to copy the recipe to your recipe board. Would you share the web address here? I'd like to visit it.

I'm hanging back and just reading for a while. The aquatics therapy seems to have "broken" the 2-month flare. I feel wonderful, absolutely back to my old self again. I wish all of you were in that pool with me! It would be a blast!

Everyone take good care of yourselves!


Bonnie Oct 7, 2004
Beach Bum and others. We have many other pages besides this discussion wall that might be of interest to you. At the top of this page click on 'To learn more about our FMPSC fm'ly.
Another page will open with choices from art work and poetry submitted by fellow Wallabies to recipes also sent in by Wallabies. The recipes are not awaysl fibro friendly and a visit there will show that Wallabies like their desserts!! There are also pictures of some of the people you 'talk' to on the discussion wall as well as directions on how to submit your own photo. You might want to read about how the FMPSC got started. At the present time there are no contests. Usually there is a contest in the spring when we have our annual fund drive. This past year members of the blteam who do the fund drive and contest were too ill and since we had enough money left over from the generosity of Wallabies the year before we did not do either. You can expect to see both this coming spring.
Happy Reading


Kay 10/8
Bonnie - I didn't see that about Mirapex when I researched it before I started
taking it. My best friend who was an RN heard about it as an off label use
for fms and researched it and told me about it and wanted me to try it. Her
mother's friend was bedridden with fms and her doctor prescribed it for her
and she loved it and within a short time she went back to work. For a few
years I was having heart palpitations from the fms. As soon as I started
taking the Mirapex the heart palpitations went away...so it has had a
positive effect on my heart so far. Research it yourself though to be safe
and please let me know if you find anything about it causing heart
problems...especially after this Vioxx thing. Also discuss it with your
doctor to see what he or she says about it. I only know of 3 people
personally with fms who have tried Mirapex and all of us have had great
results. Take care and I hope you have a "good" day. Gentle hugs.


cindy-10/8/04
hi all. i had to take yesterday off because i did something to my knee. i have arthritis in my right knee and will need a total knee replacement. however i have at least 10 more years before they will consider it. i have had a constant headache lately too. i crochet and knit a lot and i also have problems with my eyes if i work too long on something. i get blurry, that's when i know it time to put it away. the needle work gives me something to do when i have to spend a lot of time on the couch. does anyone else do any kind of needle work. i also do needle tatting. the cats are still here and my boss said he's not going to put them down, i hope he's not lying. gentle hugs to all.


Starr in WV 10/8/04
Janet - the first thing you do is go see an attorney. You do have rights!!! I know, I work in the legal profession. In addition, find out how to reach the nearest woman's shelter in case you need to get there in a hurry. Also, see if they can or if you have legal aid available in your area that can assist you. Also, try to put some money where NO ONE can get except you in case of an emergency. I've seen spouses clean out bank accounts before the other one knew what hit them. Good luck!


Barb(Pa) in Alabama 10/08/04
Hi FMily, Just a quick note while I'm taking a break here in Birmingham,Al. Janet,my heart goes out to you. I had a similar situation in my family some years ago and it was a real scary mess. I agree with finding a shelter to help you,your life is not something to gamble with. I am having a very bad time this trip...my back is not alot better and its very difficult getting in and out of the truck. So far this run I have not driven,but I will try later tonight. Sending warm gentle hugs to all,and God's protective arms to surround you Janet. God bless all.